{"id":909,"date":"2011-09-15T20:48:11","date_gmt":"2011-09-15T18:48:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/?p=909"},"modified":"2015-05-09T13:09:03","modified_gmt":"2015-05-09T11:09:03","slug":"when-did-is-saul-among-the-prophets-become-a-proverb","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/?p=909","title":{"rendered":"When did \u201cIs Saul among the prophets?\u201d become a proverb?"},"content":{"rendered":"<h4>&nbsp;<\/h4>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #b22222\">Before he became king<\/span><\/strong><br \/>\n\t<em>11 It came about, when all who knew him previously saw that he prophesied now with the prophets, that the people said to one another, &ldquo;What has happened to the son of Kish? <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">Is Saul also among the prophets?<\/span>&rdquo; <\/em><br \/>\n\t<em>12 A man there said, &ldquo;Now, who is their father?&rdquo; Therefore it became a proverb: <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">&ldquo;Is Saul also among the prophets?&rdquo;<\/span><\/em><br \/>\n\t<strong>1 Samuel 10:11-12&nbsp; NASBu<\/strong><br \/>\n\t&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #b22222\">During his reign as king<\/span><\/strong><br \/>\n\t<em>24 He also stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Therefore they say, <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">&ldquo;Is Saul also among the prophets?&rdquo;<\/span><\/em><br \/>\n\t<strong>1 Samuel 19:24&nbsp; NASBu<\/strong><br \/>\n\t&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #008000\">SAB Contradiction 292 (by book)<\/span><\/strong><br \/>\n\t&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Proposed Bible Contradiction<\/h3>\n<p>There was in Old-Israel a saying: <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">&ldquo;Is Saul among the prophets?&rdquo; <\/span>There is confusion among the critics of the Bible as two different moments seem to be given for the origin of this saying.<br \/>\n\t&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>1 Samuel 10:11-12<\/h3>\n<p>The first time that this saying was used was shortly before Saul became king. The prophet Samuel had anointed him and before he came home he met a group of prophets in spiritual ecstasy. Saul joining them also came into ecstasy. From that time onwards the saying came around: <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">&ldquo;Is Saul among the prophets?&rdquo;<\/span> The saying probably expressed the fact that the Spirit of the Lord could touch someone who did not seem to be interested in spiritual matters. The additional meaning of the saying was here certainly positive: The Lord is able to touch someone we would not expect.<br \/>\n\t&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>1 Samuel 19:24<\/h3>\n<p>Later in the Saul story we read that David fleeing from Saul arrived at the prophet Samuel. Saul persecuting David also came there and again came into spiritual ecstasy. By that it seems that David being on the run from Saul was able to escape from him. In this occasion again we read: &ldquo;Therefore <span style=\"color: #ff0000\">they say:<\/span> <span style=\"color: #000000\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff\">Is Saul among the prophets?<\/span>&rdquo; <\/span>The usual translation, however, is not correct. An imperfect is used in the Hebrew: &ldquo;Therefore <span style=\"color: #ff0000\">they said:<\/span> <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">Is Saul among the prophets?&rdquo;<\/span> The meaning is not that this saying started here as a common one. Again the people were surprised and repeated the already fixed expression.<br \/>\n\t&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Is it lasting?<\/h3>\n<p>It is possible that the initial positive connotation changed here into a negative, as the people knew Saul&rsquo;s negative intensions that were only interrupted by a spiritual experience. As soon as it was over he continued to persecute David. In that case the meaning became: Be careful when someone behaves like a prophet, is it lasting?<br \/>\n\t&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3>Bible Contradiction?<\/h3>\n<p>A careful encounter with the texts allows the conclusion:<br \/>\n\t&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h4><span style=\"color: #0000cd\">No Bible Contradiction<\/span><\/h4>\n<h4><em><span style=\"color: #ff6600\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/em><\/h4>\n<p><em>&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n<!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Proposed Bible Contradiction<\/p>\n<p>There was in Old-Israel a saying: \u201cIs Saul among the prophets?\u201d There is confusion among the critics of the Bible as two different moments seem to be given for the origin of this saying.<br \/>\n<!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on wp_trim_excerpt --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on wp_trim_excerpt --><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-909","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-1-samuel"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/909","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=909"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/909\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3360,"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/909\/revisions\/3360"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=909"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=909"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=909"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}